I am a ruthless competitor.
I just prefer not to show it – if I can secretly work harder than anyone else, I will.
Some people make small-talk during Scrabble. I’m constantly thinking through possibilities and just nodding along to whatever you are saying to me. “Ya, uh huh, sure”.
When it comes to investing, I am also going to put in more effort than the average person. To me the average person is lazy and accepts poor results. See the mutual fund industry for more info.
But effort takes time and time is non-renewable. So maybe I shouldn’t put in too much effort… ?
Investors Talk Risk-Reward
When investing there is a trade off between potential return and how risky it is.
As an example, an established company like Coca-Cola isn’t going away any time soon. If you invest in it, you can be pretty certain the company will keep on chugging along as it has for the last hundred years.
If your friend’s cousin has an iPhone app company that is running out of money and needs investors, run for the hills. Well, unless they make it worth your while. Since there is a decent likelihood the company will implode, they will offer you significant upside for investing.
With the potential for downside losses comes the potential for upside profits. Otherwise, you would just go with the sure thing every time. This could be similar to investing in a listed company, if you analyze the financials of a company before buying its shares, you may be able to predict the future of that firm. With the rise in numbers of investors across the world, service providers like Debtwire tend to provide necessary tools for stock analysis. Debtwire launches new platform to analyze the liquidity status and financial operation of any listed company. Such services can come in handy for an investor while adding new firms to the portfolio.
Rental Properties Risk-Reward
With rental properties there can certainly be a risk-reward component. You can invest in a Manhattan sky-rise condo, rent it out, and pray the value increases.
I call that gambling.
Is there potential for huge returns? Yes, but it isn’t worth it because you can lose everything.
If the market softens, your tenant will move out because rents are lower elsewhere. It already didn’t quite provide enough cash flow to cover your monthly expenses – now it is vacant and will rent at a lower price. It bleeds money every month and if your day job can’t support it, you can’t even sell because it is underwater. So bankruptcy is the only option.
This scenario might be unlikely, but it isn’t worth the risk because you can make excellent money in rentals without it.
I prefer to take the most conservative approach possible, investing in low-cost cities with excellent rental income. The cash flow provides enough cushion to wait out any downturn. I use my decades long timeline to my advantage. The leverage on these low risk rentals makes it a homerun.
Effort-Reward
We don’t have to worry about the risk-reward trade off since we are going with the most conservative properties.
Instead real estate investing should be considered an effort-reward trade off.
There are an incredible number of ways to be a “real estate investor”. For business developers, it can mean checking commercial building loans in florida or a place where they are planning on starting a business. That can also mean speculating on condos or flipping homes in your suburb. Those two have almost nothing in common.
When it comes to rental properties, there are still many ways to go about it. You can take care of everything end -to-end, finding a distressed property, rehabbing it yourself, and showing it to prospective tenants. Or you can pay someone to do that for you.
It shouldn’t surprise you that if you do less work, you can expect fewer returns. An extreme example of this is investing in real estate through a REIT (real estate investment trust). You do no work, purchase it just like a stock, and get an 8% to 12% return. Of course, it is not the same as commercial real estate investment which tends to be a lot more intricate. Businesses often get aid from companies such as CRE PropTech to carry out the transactions and manage their investment funds.
If you buy turnkey properties like I do, you put in significantly more work. You have to build relationships, perform due-diligence, and muddle through legalese. But once the property is purchased, the property manager makes it so you average less than an hour spent per month. You can expect a 20% to 30% return when you factor in all 5 components.
If you take on more responsibility, you can certainly up your returns: less middle-men make a profit off you. You can be the property manager for an extra hundred dollars a month. You can do the wholesaling to save thousands off the purchase price. You can schlep your toolbox over there on weekends to rehab it.
But is the reward worth the effort?
Don’t Forget to Evaluate the Effort Involved
You might hear statements like “I made ten thousand dollars flipping a house.” How much work went into it? Were you rehabbing yourself on weekends or dealing with pain-in-the-butt contractors? How many dozens of properties did you look at before your offer was finally accepted?
They want to tell you the good part and leave out the work required.
It’s similar for people who save money by being their own property manager. You might hear “I get an infinite return by managing it myself” because they put in no additional money. But you know better – putting in time and effort is just another form of the same thing.
This helps keep me grounded. I am not doing as well in real estate investing as plenty of people. It is easy to hear their success stories and feel like I’m not doing enough. It is natural to want more.
But at what cost? What is the effort required? How can I put in 20% of the effort and get 80% of the results?
For me the answer is purchasing buy-and-hold rental properties from out-of-state turnkey operators who do most of the work. I’m still able to get a 29% annual return and that’s good enough for me!
Yetisaurus says
This, right here:
This helps keep me grounded. I am not doing as well in real estate investing as plenty of people. It is easy to hear their success stories and feel like Iām not doing enough. It is natural to want more.
Totally agree. I struggle with this all the time. Must be my competitive nature. But you’re right, you have to just decide what works for you, so long as you’re still working harder than the average person.
With the type of investing that you do (multiple properties out of state), it totally makes sense to me that you would have it professionally managed by someone. With the type of investing that I do (one multi-family property locally), it makes so much more sense to me to manage it myself. Who ever approach you take, you gotta just figure out how much time you want to invest and go for it, and not spend time wondering if the grass is really greener for the other guy. Great post!
Yetisaurus says
*whichever, not “who ever.” Dang it.
Brian - Rental Mindset says
There will always be a point when you need to decide enough is enough. Just so hard to remember …
Yup, your way makes sense too. That 1 property is a lot of $, so maybe you won’t even need to expand beyond it. That certainly keeps the time spent acquiring properties low.
Dave Milller says
“I prefer to take the most conservative approach possible, investing in low-cost cities with excellent rental income. The cash flow provides enough cushion to wait out any downturn. I use my decades long timeline to my advantage. The leverage on these low risk rentals makes it a homerun.” – You sound like Warren Buffet, Brian… a very good thing!! š Great perspective, as always.
Brian - Rental Mindset says
Warren Buffett, what a complement! He definitely values avoiding losses and preserving your capital. That is key for a long-term investor.
It’s the example: start with a $100. In year 1 you lose 50% and year 2 you gain 50%. How much money do you have? $75, not $100!
Ditching The Grind says
A 29% return is excellent! Neither of our rentals were purchased with the intention of renting them out so our situation is less than ideal. That being said, one property is great. Our rent more than covers the 15-yr mortgage payment and the house is in a very desirable location. Aside from paint and carpets we’re changing out now, maintenance has been minimal.
We’ve had long term tenants in the other for the last 5 years. They’re about to move out though and the house has foundation issues. Once it gets fixed, I’d prefer to sell it. If we can’t sell, I don’t mind handing on to it for a few more years.
Brian - Rental Mindset says
That’s great to hear one is going well and has enough cash flow to cover a 15 year mortgage. Sounds like a winner!
The other one I might encourage you to look into a 1031 exchange. You can sell it without paying taxes and purchase a different property that is a better rental with less headaches. If you are selling it, you can even leave the foundation issues to the next person and knock whatever the ‘fix’ price is. That way if there are overruns, it’s not on you! This might make it harder to sell, but I guess it depends on the market, price, and how much effort you want to put in.
Ditching The Grind says
We’re definitely going to explore our options, but I have a suspicion that we’d lose a fair amount if we sold right now. We’ll see.
Any future rental properties will be purchased with the intention of being a rental up front. Makes a big difference compared to when you’re forced into landlording.
Brian - Rental Mindset says
Ya. It would be brutal to be forced into landlording in my area – it would bleed cash every month. Good luck!
Michael @ Financially Alert says
Slow and steady wins the race! Congrats on the 29% return. I look forward to seeing more your upcoming investments in the future. Good discussion on effort-reward. š
Brian - Rental Mindset says
Thanks. I realize 29% will likely come down a bit, but why not share it while I can?!